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First-Grader May Face Expulsion For Bringing Air Gun To School

Avon East principal says, "He's a good boy who made a poor decision."

 

OUTSIDE CLEVELAND, OH -- A 6-year-old boy has been suspended for 10 days and may face expulsion after he brought an airsoft gun to his elementary school on Friday.

The boy told Avon Police that he brought it to Avon East Elementary School because another student had threatened him.

The boy never brandished the gun at school. However, he and a friend did show it to the student who had threatened them while at a bus stop before school, according to the police report.

When school officials heard about the airsoft gun later that day, they called the boy to the principal's office, confiscated the gun and called police.

The gun did not resemble a real firearm and had a single pellet in its magazine, according to the police report.

Avon East Principal Sherry Szczepanski said the boy had just thought of the gun as "a toy," but he was suspended as part of the district's zero-tolerance policy.

The superintendent will ultimately decide if the boy will be expelled.

"All kids need to understand that this sort of thing has absolutely no place at school," Szczepanski said.

The principal also said that the boy who brought the airsoft gun to school had never been in trouble before.

"He's a good boy who made a poor decision," she said. "My heart goes out to him."

Szczepanski said that not only students but parents and guardians could learn from this situation.

"They need to be aware of what is in their child's backpack," she said.

Avon Police chose not to file charges against the boy or the student who threatened him. They decided that the children's parents and the school could address the situation.

Related Topics: Avon East Elementary School and avon police department

Kristen LePrevost

9:23 am on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

6 years old is so young and with so many weapons as toys these days I think expulsion would be harsh..this is much different then a middle schooler or high school...suspension and education is much more appropriate in my opinion. And as mentioned...the parents need to be aware what the kids have access to and may bring to school

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CJ

12:21 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013

If this kid would resort to bringing this ''toy'' gun to school...he could have very easily taken a real gun to school if one had been available. Don't be fooled by the story that this kid thought this was a ''toy''. I say ''Bull-shizzz''. That is very naive to allow yourself to believe that for one second. If you knew much about these airsoft guns, you would realize there is an extrememly good reason why protctive clothing and eyewhere is required to ''play'' with them. They not only could ''easily'' blind someone....they could also knock some teeth out. Knowing that...you be the judge about how much of a ''toy'' they are. Expulsion ''is'' appropriate...for the rest of the school year. Let him finish this grade out with home schoolong and then let him back in the next year. It was not like he was bringing it for Show-and-Tell day. His intent was to do harn to someone. This kid needs to learn that turning to weapons is not going to get anyone any slack. The system failed this child..the bully skated... but thaere can be ''zero'' escuse for ''any'' weapon broght to school that was to be used as a weapon. Nowdays ther are plenty of stories is kids this age killing other people.

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Janie

12:50 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013

CJ, I totally disagree with you. The parents are responsible for what a six year old brings to school or even has access to. A six year old can have short term immediate consequences for being rude, talking back, etc (six year old misbehaving) but six year olds are below the legal age of reason (7 years old, and even then their brains don't process abstract ideas well) and cannot be legally held responsible for their actions so how can anyone talk about punishing a six year old for trying to do what makes sense to him to stop someone from bullying him? Expulsion is NOT appropriate and I think a court of law would agree that it is unlawful to deprive a six year old of schooling with his peers due to an action that was due to negligent parents. He could have brought a real gun to school and I would still blame the parents for negligence and hold them responsible if anyone had been hurt, as would the courts.

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CJ

1:08 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013

Janie. I can tell from all your outlandish views that you would ''totally disagree'' with me. I would never waste my time trying to change the mind of someone like you...I know how futile that would be. Your idea of ''counseling'' is fine...but it can be done while he is expelled. It's never too young to learn some hard lessons...some people just make the wrong choices way too early...but punishing them is not wrong. It may suck...but it is the right thing to do. Nobody ever said life is easy..not even for a 6 year old. It is a tough break for this kid...but he will get over it and if he is taught to take his punishment...he will be better person as a result of this experience. If he had a parent like you...I am not too sure of that, though. Some people live their whole life thinking they are special and have special rules that don't apply to them. You sound like that. A 47 %'er?

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Janie

1:25 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013

No CJ, we owned two small corporations, one a union HVAC/mechanical contracting business, and I was a social worker for the State of Washington. Retired now and that "dumb as rocks" six year old is a child psychologist. Libertarians who vote Republican as the lesser of two evils, and gun owners with permits to carry concealed and if this goes to court, it not only "sucks", it is morally reprehensible and illegal to punish a child of six for any action that child is not responsible for. Had the parents left out a real gun instead of an air gun and the child had killed the bully, he would not be held responsible in a court of law, but his parents would have been charged with negligent homicide or something similar depending on the laws of the state it occurred in. You cannot "teach" a child of six or four or two to accept treatment that they have no understanding of or awareness of why they are being mistreated. Your mindset is similar to that of those who would execute rape victims as a lesson to women n to stay home after dark, because life sucks but let it be a lesson to all. I feel sorry for a twisted mind incapable of understanding the difference between a choice and the actions of one too young to reason in the abstract.

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Janie

1:30 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013

CJ, learn to read. I said "when my father-in-law died, we took our six year old to the cemetery". He died in the 1970's. Our six year old is now an adult almost 40 years old and is a child psychologist.

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CJ

1:48 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013

Oh Janie..just ''shut up''. Now we see you are now just going to resort to bragging and tall tales. I read fine, Janie...it's just you are not worth paying too much attention to in the real world...but here in a blog...it's hard to let some of the loopy things you say just go by. It now sounds like your grown ''Psychiatrist Son'' (yeah...cough, cough...right) is fixing you up with some ''feel good'' pills. You obviously need them. You are nuts....so it is a good thing your son now does what he does...although...it would not surprise me if his Psychiatric specialty is German Shepherds.

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CJ

1:56 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013

Janie. You wrote:
''I feel sorry for a twisted mind incapable of understanding the difference between a choice and the actions of one too young to reason in the abstract. ''

..and that comment, folks, is coming from a lady who makes up some goofy analogy between the rape of a woman and a kid taking a gun of some sort with the intention of using it on someone...

This has now entered that place somewhere between reality and another dimension that is called The Twilight Zone.

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Janie

6:58 pm on Thursday, February 28, 2013

CJ, you need to stop spewing your idiocy for all to see; apparently you have no idea that a psychologist has the same education as a grammar school teacher while a psychiatrist is a medical doctor who then goes on to specialize in psychiatry. It would be sweet if my daughter were a psychiatrist, but unfortunately she's not. It takes 5 years to get a masters in psychology; it takes 12 years to become a medical doctor with a further degree in psychiatry. You really should learn to read every word before you write nonsense, unless you enjoy looking foolish.

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Taylor

6:31 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

OMG. CJ. Is it actually possible for you to leave Janie alone?!?!? Anyways, she is right....BTW. GET A LIFE!

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CJ

7:16 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

Oh come on Taylor...we are all big people here. Are you serious...to jump to her aid on this? You support and defend this kid? I hardly think she wants or needs anybody to do that. You insult us all here with your lame interference. Get off the porch if you can't hang....and please...don't treat me like I am 'picking on her''. This is a blog. Please review the comments...she is the one who first made a return reply to me. She has resorted to her psycho-babble just to defect the valid points I have made to her...and to simply ''brag''. Yes...the psychologist/psychiatrist thing she threw in as a detour is true enough...and I certainly knows the difference...but any of that is hardly the essence of the disagreement between her and I on this. I simply brushed past that because she was just gloating. You may fall for her tactics, but that is fine if you want to expose yourself as her supporter. Go ahead...but please don't confuse me for thinking the rubbish she does. You obviously ''don't get'' how blogs work. You don't start things you are not prepared to finish. You will also find that it is obviously that most commenter's here would not agree with her...just as I did not. Her position is ridiculous considering the very real threat of violence in schools today..or perhaps you are too old like she is to have noticed? I am old also..but I can keep up with what's going on. Try it yourself.

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CJ

7:19 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

Hh..and Taylor...your comment on this was the first one again since over 3 weeks ago. As I said..see if you can keep current.

Hugh Hendry

9:33 am on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

Where were this kid's parents? I'm sure they'll absolve themselves of any responsibility, ask for an additional levy to make their kid smarter, etc. Been down that path and I'm sick of it. Parents handle your kids!

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Ralph McGraw

4:27 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

I will side with the school also. The parents should have been more responsible. I was about that age when I pointed a toy pistol that I just received as a birthday present at a friend of mine. My father saw what I did and immediately took the pistol set from me. I didn't get it back for a week. And then with instructions. My father had always been very serious about gun handling. Toy or not.

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mickey fox

10:30 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

If we started putting the parents into jail for what their children do things would straighten up in a hurry! Fear will be the driving force to get parents to do what they are supposed to do.

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mickey fox

10:36 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

Arrest the parents for the behavior of the child. The whole thing will stop when the parents have something to loose.

Jim Strang

10:08 am on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

The best part of this story:

"Avon Police chose not to file charges against the boy or the student who threatened him. They decided that the children's parents and the school could address the situation."

Uncommonly good sense prevailed. Thanks.

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Diana Williams

4:55 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

Actually if the parents had done their job, this would not have taken place in the first place. No doubt they are going to whine and cry about how unfair it was to their kid. Other students have the right to be protected from kids who bring any kind of weapon to school and the parent who is either negligent in his/her supervision or just doesn't care. Why would you expect or count on parents who are irresponsible to deal with this? They won't.

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William

11:06 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

So let me ask you this...how exactly did this "non-incident" make the papers, and now the internet? Could it be because it had the word "gun" in it? Media sensationalism anyone?

Mary Gschwind

10:45 am on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

Too bad the school is forced to such extreme measures with a six-year-old. Maybe toy makers shouldn't make guns anymore since children will be threatened if they play with them or show them to their friends.

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Kathy

11:10 am on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

These types of guns should be locked up by the parents! I don't mind if your kid has one but it should only be used under adult supervision. It sickens me how parents let their kids play with these air guns so freely. I don't mind kids having air soft guns, but please parents, have them only use them under adult supervision and store the guns away from the kids, with a lock. If you think this is too harsh, I ask you to have someone point an air soft gun 5 feet from your face and shoot at your face. If you are unwilling to do that, then the gun is not safe to be in your child's hand without parental supervision.

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Stephanie

3:04 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

EXACTLY!!!! No 6 year old can buy one of these guns so he should not be playing with it or bringing it to school!

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John V

7:38 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

Why not lock up kitchen knives too and baseball bats, ban the game and get boys to learn ballet instead. restrict airsoft guns and punish severely a little, remorseful six year old. The school officials act like they are doing something to protect the kids
Meanwhile they ignore the nuts and criminals, perverts and animals because they either don't know what to do with them or its too hard a problem to solve but a six year old is easy for a whole school board to go after. At least the cops have a little more sense then those high paid PhDs
In my NYC today, the paper had a guy that 2 years ago tried to kill 2 cops with a knife. He went to jail, got out, terrorized the neighborhood and his family, cut up his mother into pieces and got himself arrested finally. Now that guy you should throw the book at, not a little six year old who knows he did wrong.
Wanna take bets when that other guy will be out? And our billionare polliticians here don't feel we need to defend ourselves. Lets lock up the criminals real well and not the toys or 6 year olds. Maybe some of those billionares and politicans too.

julie

11:31 am on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

Mary, did you read the article? He wasn't showing his friends the gun. He brought it in because a boy threatened him. Really? Unfortunately it isn't the same as when we grew up. If a 1st grader is doing this already what's gonna happen when they get older? And thank God there wasn't a real gun laying around for him to find.

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Rose Young-Stewart

6:59 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

You're wrong, as usual the kid and his friend showed it to the intended victim at a bus stop. aha! NOW you remember !

Betty

1:57 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

So what is happening to the boy who threatened the 6 year old? If kids feel that teachers won't take their problem seriously, then they feel they have to defend themselves. Been there, done that. Teachers and schools need to be more away of bullying situations. I have witnessed recess where the teachers congregate and talk while the children play. They only notice the child who defends himself by retaliating and then HE is in trouble. I think the zero tolerance policy needs to be tempered with a little common sense and compassion.

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Deborah Davis

4:47 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

I am with you on that one Betty. Still it doesn't seem like they want to address the root of the problems. N

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Deborah Davis

4:55 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

Try this again..........I am with you on that one Betty. Still doesn't seem like they want to address the true root of the problem, which is the threat of harm. Not that what he chose to do was right. Bad decision. But also why at 6 years old was there no adult present at the bus stop - in this day and age, receipe for disaster. I would think ONE parent for the children would supervise prior to the bus getting there. I would say there is a ton of blame to go around here.

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Janie

10:52 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

My daughter is an adult now, but when she was 6, in first grade, she and a few friends would play jacks at recess and some 4th & 5th grade boys would kick the jacks and push the girls sideways. I thought the boys were just playing because she didn't sound upset when she told me about; she also neglected to tell me they were big boys. One day I get a call that my daughter has been taken to the hospital because the girls had been playing jacks on the cement at the top of the stairs and when a boys pushed my six year old, she fell down the stairs and landed on her head, knocking her out. I sat her down and told her to tell me EVERYTHING that had happened. Then I showed her how & where to kick a boy who bullied her, using her ankle/calf for better leverage instead of her foot. A few weeks later she did, and the school called and I went to the school and told them I had told her to kick them in the b*lls and the fact that she had to meant the playground teacher had gone back to NOT paying attention again. I told them my next stop was the paper and TV if they didn't start protecting the younger children. The bullying at recess stopped.

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mickey fox

11:08 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

Good Job Janie. It got their attention for quite a while.

Maude

2:22 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

In this day and age, especially after multiple school shootings, all districts have a no tolerance approach to guns, in which both the parents and students are notified over and over. There are many school assemblies where children are constantly told about bringing weapons to school and the consequences of doing so. There are many districts also addressing bullying (finally) and give students options of what to do if they are feeling unsafe, rather than feel like bringing a gun to school is their only choice. Our district has installed extra security measures to keep kids safe. I had three students who were suspended/expelled for bringing air guns/bb guns to school, as it is forbidden and the district enforces severe consequences. In all 3 cases, the student knew better and was bringing them to school to show off to others. The really disturbing part is that all 3 of the boys purchased these guns from the neighborhood ice cream truck. They said they could buy "a gun and ammo" for only $15.00. Little did these parents know that the friendly, musical ice cream truck is now in the business of selling air guns and ammo to little kids. When I checked into it, the city said they could do nothing since the (very realistic) BB guns are considered "toys." Parents and students have been clearly given the message about bringing weapons to school and what consequences will occur. Districts have to be tough with this issue for the safety of everyone.

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jlfenton

2:35 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

Every one seems to be worried about the child bringing his airsoft gun to school. What made him feel like he needed to do so?

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Bob Stock

2:59 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

In the article it stated that the child brought the gun to school because he was threatened by another student......

george goberish

2:50 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

what a CROCK of s--t! six years old with a TOY gun... are all you people crazy? when i was in school we would take our pocket knives to school (everybody had one back then) and NOBODY ever threatened anyone with it because if you did you got spanked by the teacher and then spanked again when you got home. and yes toy guns were a popular toy i grew up with. the teacher should have simply taken it and called this child's parents to come and pick it up after school. Has everyone lost their minds??? suspend a 1st grader for bringing a toy to school?? what does this accomplish? you'll just scare the poor kid for no reason other than an improper (by school standards) toy!! it just doesn't make any sense.

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Bob Stock

3:00 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

Perhaps you should google "airsoft" and see exactly what types of "toy" guns they are selling.

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Pattie Underwood

3:28 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

Oh, for the days when I could play cowboys and indians in peace! AND if the bully was taken care of this poor kid would not bring a gun to school. You should be talking more about the REASON he brought it and fix that!

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Kevin Thomas

4:32 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

I agree whole heartedly! I got caught with a pocket knife in school and had to tell my parents! ( Dads bone handled Barlow)! I can still feel the butt whipping today!

sailorgirl

2:56 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

"Poor choices," is what my daughter's coach would say and I agree wholeheartedly. Zero tolerance is necessary whether it is a 6 year old or 16 year old. No guns in school period!!! what is so hard to understand. It is especially disturbing that such a young child would even think of bringing a gun to school so it is important the standard is upheld and he understands the consequence for his actions. He obviously made a clear decision to bring the airsoft gun to school for protection which means he had intentions to use it. Still a poor choice.Parents need to accept responsibility also. Depending on whether they agree or argue with the school should be the difference between a 10 day suspension or expulsion.

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john forrest

3:01 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

i am so sick of all this liberal bs.why cant a kid have toys and play with them let them grow up happy with out all you idiots finding fault with every thing they do

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Hugh Hendry

4:59 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

If you think growing up "happy" requires a gun you seem to have a perverted impression of what "happy" entails. Good luck with that! Have you heard of the controversy over guns at school. Hello, its 2013.

DMom

3:05 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

Sad part is, yes he's only Six., however, he did claim he took it because another child threatened him. This means, he knew he may be using it to harm another child. Therefore, he is old enough, and smart enough to be punished just as an older child would be. Parents need to become more involved with their children. Why was his backpack not checked before school? This should be done. Parents need to be more responsible. And, if they choose not to be...suffer the consequences, and remain quiet.

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Janie

11:02 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

No six year old is "old enough and smart enough to be punished just as an older child would be". Are you in your right mind? 5 to 10 minutes of time-out is all normal parents give six year olds; most start with 2 year olds and give them two minutes of time-out. An older child/teen could be grounded, have the car privileges taken away, made to do yard work, the dishes, etc. No sane person would punish a child legally below the age of reason the same as an older child would be punished. Legally it would be considered child abuse.

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CJ

1:16 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013

Janie..you sound like a lawyer who got thier law degree by sending off money to an ad from the back of a comic book. You mentioned you have a 6 year old? What...is someone else raising ti? You don't sound like you know a thing about 6 year olds. It's scary what they know. You are way off..and have zero credibility.

Rich Goodwin

3:40 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

omg people many of you are so stupid. Use you internet for something useful for once and look up wat these are. First is toy, do you remember what these are and what they are used for? Second one is a little harder for you and thats airsoft. Its a toy that shoots plastic bb at a very low velocity. I doesn't kill, nor injure anyone. I guess we can't expect your kids to have any intelegence when parents and those around them have none.

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Satanzluvr

4:10 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

So let me shoot you in the eye with that BB gun... I bet you will have an injury...

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Bob Stock

4:23 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

First, this kid's intent was to harm someone who was threatening him, and the types of "guns" that airsoft sells are the type of toys that will get you shot if you began waving them around in public, and last, you need to cease ranting about intelligence until you learn how to spell it correctly.

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Kevin Thomas

4:35 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

I'm glad they weren't around me and my suction dart gun! I would have been the 1st six year old in prison!

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betty

6:52 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

I am 61 and grew up knowing 2 kids that were blind in one eye from their own BB gun. So maybe giving children guns, even bb guns wasn't so intelligent.
Intelligence, not intelegence.

HELLRAISER

3:47 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

"Accidental Shooting at Ga. High School" mis-leading BS link.

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Deborah Walters

4:17 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

Let me just ask this...What is going on in schools that students are being bullied and threatened. Where is the school's responsibility in all this? Don't they have any? Are these students not being supervised? Is there ANY learning going on in these places. I am beginning to believe that this system is not able to teach students adequately nor is it able to keep students safe from others who also attend or work there. There should have never been the opportunity for a child to threaten another child. The child who made the threat should have been dealt with, then maybe students who are picked on, threatened and bullied wouldn't feel they had to go to such measures.

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Apolloniabliss

4:31 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

Airgun maybe manufactors should stop make violent toys period!

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Jeff Rink

5:04 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

Deborah, I think you have it. For the last 10 - 20 yrs our public school systems have slowly been shifting to teaching the students to "test". The desire to have our school system rated "excellent" or higher has nurtured a school experience that gives our children no room for error. They aren't taught the three "r's" anymore, they aren't taught how to think for themselves and it's taboo to think acknowledge that child A is actually better than child B in anything. Our children have had their esteem neutered. When I was a kid I would get mad if I put in more effort at a game than someone else and they got the same "trophy" that I did. We have young parents who never learned critical thinking or that having pride isn't a bad thing. We have parents that allow their children to play "m" rated video games because it keeps the kids quiet. We are now seeing the fruition of single parenting alongside a politically correct society.

If you want to fix this, tell these "experts" that came up with this "zero tolerance" policy and give the teachers and principals the authority to handle these things when they catch wind of it. Give these kids a crack on the bottom and don't let them whine their way out of it. If two kids are fighting, they both get it. High School kids need to be prosecuted if they commit a crime. They will eventually start behaving. The only no tolerence policy should be for ignorance and political correctness. And yes, parents are a big part of this.

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Daniel Wagler

5:38 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

air soft and nerf are not guns- they are harmless- maybe point plank in the eye MIGHT hurt- they do not belong at school- but again- a 6th grader hasnt figured out how to use two thick rubberbands- on almost every teachers desk- and a friggin paperclip- also on the teachers desk- and NOW you have something that can hurt across the room. Parents need to get with the program and let teachers push a bit of dicipline again.. the fact this got into the news shows what a shitty society this has become! to those who say "you shouldnt spank the kids or use physical dicipline"- guess what - YOU were the last phase of decent society- then you fucked it all up!

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David Smith

5:49 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

Okay give him the ten days but don't get crazy. You are going to have to educate him whether you keep him or expel him. It's the law.

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Lulu

6:03 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

This is ridiculous. It's just an airsoft gun, he didn't take it out at school, and it had 1 frickin pellet in it! This kid is 6 for crying out loud, it's not likely he's even aware of why people are so upset with him. I understand that recent tragedies have people scared of potential shootings, but this is just too much. This 6 year old wasn't going to go on a rampage with 1 air soft pellet. I've been hit by those and while it doesn't feel good, it's not a devastating experience. Obviously he shouldn't have brought it and certainly shouldn't shoot it at a classmate, but the principal should have just explained to the child why this isn't acceptable to bring to school, addressed the bully issue, and informed the kids parents of the incident. I hate how every minor school incident lately has been blown out of proportion.

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steven Jacobs

6:08 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

a 6 year old bring a gun to shoot another kid.We have about a decade left.

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James Harness

6:41 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

When I was a kid my parents bought me a set of toy pistols and my brothers and friends and I ran around shooting at each other playing cowboys and indians. I starred in many a visionary film. What ever happened to Roy Rogers and Gene Autry. Better yet, Whatever happened to enjoying life as a kid in America?

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betty

6:49 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

the movies got more violent and the average kid by 6 yrs old has seen many many murders, stabbings, chokings..etc And now days many kids have picked up what they thought was a toy and killed a parent sibling...etc. Now many people have assult weapons and have gone into schools and murdered many children... Now days kids are better off enjoying life in America minus the pretend killings....
Sadly it hits too close to home now.

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Pam J

7:34 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

We did too and when you pointed the "gun" at your friend and said "bang", they would drop to the ground like they were dead. And most of us did not grow up to be serial killers. But the fact that this little boy thought a gun (regardless of what kind it was) was the only way to deal with a bully is what should be foremost in our minds. What kind of world are we living in where a 6-year-old child thinks that problems can be solved with guns?

betty

6:47 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

6 yrs old is young and lackes the understanding of what is wrong, Yes, even if he has been told, 6 yr olds just don't think, don't reason when it comes to "toys". BUT what about his parents? Who gets this child ready to go to school? Who walked him to the bus stop? WHY did the parent not see or know he had the gun? Yes, it's just a toy, but hey, a lot of kids have also picked up what they thought was a toy and killed someone too. Toy guns don't have any place at school, but if someone is expelld the punishment should be on mom and dad, or if a sitter sends him off, perhas them...

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Faith Devine

7:00 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

If the monsters who refuse to help when a child is being bullied would have the basic human decency to help them, the kids wouldn't get this desperate.

Sad to say, but one of these days a parent is going to go off the deep end and show a school administrator what it's like to be terrorized. Maybe then the rest of them will wake up and do their freaking jobs!!!

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Rose Young-Stewart

7:02 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

i am not familiar with any type of guns and i have been reading more about guns in the last couple months more so than ever in my 70 year life so please enlighten me. . 1. what is the reason to buy one for a little kid?
2. What sort of damage can it do if pointed at a person?

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William

8:49 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

Well Rose. Do you remember when kids played with guns as you were growing up...cowboys and indians, then cops and robbers? Healthy fun, good guys and bad guys, you know like real life. Airsoft guns do no damage to people. They are a little plastic pellet which is fired from a gun. It's a toy, nothing else. It's not a bb gun which could actually hurt someone, but a little plastic pellet. Safer than what most 6 year olds do to each other.

Pam J

7:38 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

I want to apologize for commenting on a story from Ohio. I live in Georgia and the link on AOL's homepage was for a situation here in Georgia. We have an area called "Avondale", so I guess that's what I saw when I got here.

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Kathy

8:11 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

I do not know the answer for the punishment. I didn't say a word about that. I do not know the whole story. For those commenting on airsoft guns, maybe you should do some research. They can injure a person. I have seen someone injured in the eye. Some kids have the sense to handle them and some do not. I see kids in my neighborhood with them and I will never let my young son out of the house if I see a kid not handling the airsoft gun with respect. In addition, my family member is a professional hunter. He has given many in my family safety awareness books about "toy" bb gun and airsoft guns. They are a weapon that some kids can't handle without adult supervision. They are not just toys. I feel playing with guns is fine. I also know my parents taught us about guns. Also, for those commenting, hide knives, paperclips, etc., yes, there are other things in the world we can use as weapons. I'm not dumb and stupid. I'm a very smart women. Let's teach individuals to respect each other and weapons. I think the world has become too PC too, but I will never ever tolerate those who not teach their children to respect each other. Also, everyone is entitled to their opinion. So don't be so rude. I believe in owning guns. So don't throw out that I don't understand and pretend you know "my type".

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concerned parent

8:15 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

Just wondering why, as a parent of a first grade student at Avon East Elementary, were we not notified of this immediately??? This young boy could have been a classmate of my sons and it's disturbing to know that he had this in his backpack in his classroom all day...I understand that it's an airsoft pellet gun, but he didn't just think of it as a toy, the boy brought it to school to threaten harm to someone who was bullying him. I really don't think it matters what the weapon is if your intention is to use it for that reason. Bullying is unacceptable and needs to be dealt with more strictly in our schools and the children need to know that they can talk to someone about it instead of trying to deal with it themselves. Let's face it, the really scary part is that if a child is dealing with a situation this way at age 6, what will he do when he is 16?

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Cheryl

8:16 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

Think of this scenario: A child brings a toy gun to school and threatens to shoot another child. The teacher does nothing. After all, he is only a child and the gun is a toy. The child who was threatened goes home and tells his parents who then call the teacher (or superintendent) and threatens to sue the district for 1) not informing them of the threat to their child and 2) not taking the situation seriously. It happens all the time.

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William

8:52 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

Anyone catch how HP spinned the truth..."accidental shooting in school" This is the reason we have so much anti-gun rhetoric. I grew up with toy guns, so did every kid I knew. None of us have grown up and turned to a life of crime. Almost everyone I know now has at least one gun and again, no criminals in the bunch. The outrage will go away as soon as the media stops creating it.

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Slayer752

9:59 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

I was wondering the same thing. I didnt read anywhere in this article where it said anyone was actually shot with this airsoft gun. as far as airsoft guns go, my son has had many of them and some will hurt you while others will barely shoot a couple of feet, so without knowing what type of gun (spring or air) I could not say whether it was even a real threat. This is only about the airsoft gun itself and not the boys intentions mind you.

Michael Cox

8:56 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

This is crazy. By punishing this boy, you are telling the bullys of the world, that it is ok to degrade the other kids. I thought we were trying to put a stop to bullying. SO WHAT IS IT? Stop bullying, or punish those getting bullied for trying to defend themselves. Teachers, where were you. The Parents, shame on you too!!! TALK to your KIDS; and, LISTEN TO THEM. I think the bully and the parents should be sent to detention together, with the boys teacher to watch over them....

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William

9:22 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

Michael, you are right. Parents need to be involved with there kids. But I also think that there just may not be a story here. The kid brought the gun and showed it to a bully? Does that make any sense? I'm thinking the kid, when confronted by school authorities, could have very well made up the story as an excuse.

laura oliver

9:30 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

this doesn't sound like anything innocent to me. he says he was threatened and then brings this to school and shows it to the boy who supposedly threatened him. his intention was to use it as a gun not a toy to scare another child

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William

9:57 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

So a 6 year old, accused of a "crime" is a credible witness? Kids are kids, they live in a world of imagination. The story says "he showed it to the kid who was bullying him at the bus stop" And this is a crime.....how? Are all toys banned in school? How did the school find out about the gun? Is the bully a tattletale also? Is this what school is all about now....hand out condoms and teach about "my two mommies" but no toys?

Kathy

9:30 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

From a website that sells airsoft guns, safety precautions INCLUDING: Along with the discussion of the appropriate places to use airsoft guns, airsoft shooting safety guidelines need to be addressed as well. First and foremost, protective gear should be used at all times. This includes, most importantly, eye and face protection. While airsoft shooting goggles or glasses (with shatter resistant lenses) are a must, a full protective face mask is highly recommended. Full face masks protect against facial damage to cheeks, teeth, and ears, as well as providing complete protection for the eyes. Never, ever, shoot at someone who is not wearing proper protection or safety apparel. Along with protective face wear, the use of a thick sweater or jacket, a balaclava (a cloth head mask), gloves, a hat, hard-soled boots, and knee and elbow pads are also recommended. As a final safety measure, the covering of all exposed skin is also highly advised. http://www.airsplat.com/Airsoft-Safety.htm

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Kathy

9:40 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

So, if your kid has one, teach him how to respect it please. Maybe the parent/guardian did in this situation. We don't know. But for those saying they do no harm, show me some fact based material.

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Kathy

9:46 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

NRA website: NRA also reminds parents that these guns must be handled according to exactly the same safety rules as powder firearms. BB guns and pellet guns are not toys, and youngsters using them require training and parental supervision.

http://www.nra.org/Article.aspx?id=1566

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Janie

11:51 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

The fact remains that we are talking about a SIX YEAR OLD, a child below the the age of reason, both legally and scientifically, a SIX YEAR OLD. How can schools or any system legally punish a child younger than the legal age of reason by expelling them for a crime they are not old enough to be held responsible for?

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Kathy

12:01 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013

The fact is I'm not talking about the punishment. I'm just saying that you play it off as no big deal. Comparing it to toys and bubbles. It is not safe, there should be some punishment and counseling and be done. I never said what to do with the kid, you can debate that with someone else. Airsoft guns are an issue in some families. Not all. Maybe not even this one. Who knows. My debate is to those calling airsoft guns just toys, which is wrong in many cases. (Unless the airsoft gun is a weak one). My son will have one when he is older and I will keep it locked up when not with an adult.

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Janie

12:36 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013

I have no idea what an airsoft gun is and really don't care; it could be a real handgun. People are talking about "punishing" a six year old for something he is not legally or morally responsible for. A counselor could try to explain it to him, the results would be about the same as trying to explain death to a six year old. "grandma's dead. She's not here anymore; she's gone to heaven" response: "OK, can we see grandma tomorrow when she gets back?" After my father-in-law died, we took our six yr old to the cemetery & tried to explain that Grandpa wasn't sick any more but was buried under all the flowers. She told her dad that our German shepherd was a real good digger & could get grandpa out in no time. She was very smart for six, could read way above her age level but six year old minds do not work like those of older children or adults. You can't or shouldn't punish a six yr old for something that he wasn't responsible for. Adults are responsible for babies and young children; if a lighter is left on a table with a young child & he picks it up & lights it & he drops it & the tablecloth catches fire and burns the house down & someone dies, would you blame or punish the child? You think there should be some punishment & counseling but six is too young for that type of counseling (about abstract results of actions & the reasons for rules pertaining to abstract results). No six year old should be punished for the inattention of his parents. Send them to counseling

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Janie

1:10 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013

Why is it people like CJ make rude nasty comments about people or their children when you disagree with them? I was giving an example of how a six year old responds when parents try to explain the death of a grandparent. Their minds cannot comprehend the totality of "forever gone". CJ is low class enough to get personal when someone disagrees with his/her comment and say a six year old who doesn't understand death is dumb as a rock and must be blonde.

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CJ

1:39 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013

Besides, Janie, my remark that your 6 year old shows signs of being blonde and dumb as a rock was not in reference to her problems ''you claim'' with ''death''...it was more in reference to the part about ''this'' that you wrote: ''She told her dad that our German shepherd was a real good digger & could get grandpa out in no time''.
I ''do'' know 6 year olds...and I seriously doubt that hardly any would ever have such a space cadet comment like that to make. A 4 year old...''maybe''. Kids are ''way'' brighter than you are feigning to know about.

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CJ

7:29 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

...you see, janie...you switched persons to butt heads with using your same broken record...but it ain't working here either....the men in the white coats are looking for you...but your daughter is trying to delay them...maybe she is using ''psychology''...lol... on them ,even though you yourself has said she is not qualified to do so...the apple does not fall far from the tree I see...

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CJ

7:38 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

I'll tell you what is scarier than this kid with the gun:
A just under 7 year old girl who does not realize at a funeral for her Grandpa that her dog can't dig him up later and he will then be fine..and someone like that is now grown up practicing as a Psychologist. It sure helps explain why she never went on to become a ''Psychiatrist'', especially since we now know her mother, due to all her bragging on how rich she is, could have certainly afforded to send her to as many years of college she ever would have needed.

Allen Burnett

10:31 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

I'll bet these loons would suspend a kid if he made a rubber band gun out of his fingers and shot another kid with it. I'll be glad when America falls.

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Janie

11:29 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

Last week a 7 year old was arrested for POINTING HIS FINGER AND SAYING BANG because the rules say guns "real or play" and the school claims by making the gun shape with his hand, his hand became a play gun. Another 5 or 6 year old was either arrested or suspended (I forget which) last September for bringing a toy soldier to show & tell because the toy soldier had a miniscule, fraction of an inch long gun. How about the little girl (I believe she was six too) a couple of weeks ago who was labeled a terrorist and had the police called when she was overheard by a teacher telling another girlfriend that she had gotten a Hello Kitty Bubble gun and did the girl want to come over her house so they could shoot bubbles at each other. Where has common sense gone? Why aren't school officials, who are supposedly educated enough to deserve good salaries, educa6ted enough to differentiate between something normal and harmless and something potentially dangerous. Why aren't they aware of bullying problems if they have at a minimum a masters in child psychology or education?

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Kathy

11:39 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

Janie, I don't know the whole story and don't have a comment on what I believe is the correct punishment, but airsoft guns are NOT toys. The other stories you are talking about are toys and pretend. Airsoft guns are not pretend and not toys, as stated by the NRA.

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CJ

12:40 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013

Allen...If the time comes when America ''fails'', as you call it...that will be a time when violence takes to the streets and people like you will be the first kind that other Americans will ''eliminate''. What a horrible thing you said. You thinking is messed up. Waht a foud person you must be to make such a statement. There are other places in the world to go live, you know. Go.

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CJ

7:57 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

Ahh...Janie...thanks for showing more of what kind of person you like to buddy up with. Allen is a real charmer...uh...he is not your son-in-law or anything..is he?

Honestly, Janie...it's is ''head shaking'' to see that you just chummed up with a guy who just said he will be glad when America fails.

To be fair, the analogy you pointed out between a kid who brings a gun to school ....and a kid who points his finger as a gun......that truly is an interesting analogy...but you are goofier than a Jaybird if you think those two stories match up well. ''Of course'' most of us would agree that is unfair what happened to the kid using his finger as a gun....however...it does ''zero'' to change the viewpoint on the kid who brought the gun. Are you OK? Because you sound flipped out, to be frank. Have you missed some ''meds'' today? That said....I do agree with you that the ''zero tolerance'' policy that many schools adhere to is full of very bad faults and lacks the very real need of descretion. I also agree that this kid who brought the gun ''deserves some descretion''...but I certainly don't see him as the innocent little angel that you try to make him out to be. This kid committed a ''very unfortunate'' error...but the message has to be clear to the rest of the student body....that ''feigning'' a mistake can't be accepted. This kid knew all to well what he was doing. He may fool ''you'' ( and I can believe that...lol) ...but he is not fooling many others.

mickey fox

10:32 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

If you put the parents in jail for what their under age children do the parents would very quickly take responsibility for what the children were doing and the whole thing would straighten out.

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Michelle

10:41 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

The problem is the thought. It is not ok to have such young kids even have the thought to scare away someone with a gun! And this kid went ahead and did it! They all should be punished! At that age you might want to push them or call them names, they shouldn't think I'm gonna bring a gun to scare him away! That very well could have been a real gun if one was available to him! No one should have a calm, no big deal, reaction to this! This is not normal or ok! My step daughter goes to that school and I have extreme worries about her safety at school with students with this type of thought process! And this is the 2nd time something like this has happened recently, I heard another student has been expelled for telling a girl he was going to bring a gun and shoot her! I can't believe that kids can think this way.

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mickey fox

10:48 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

Michelle my parents told me what to think when I was in sixth grade. They were very active in their parental responsibility. If I messed up I paid. One good crack on the hind end sets your vision and thinking straight.

CJ

12:33 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013

If this had been my son..he would have been sent home for fighting...not for taking an airgun. And I would have stood by him with whatever punishment the school dished out. We would have abided by the punishment, but the bully would have a few things to remember about the incident also. If not then..or at the time...then later. I was raised to be kind...but also to defend myself and aid others who needed help...and I raised my kids to do the same. I promise you this....no mater how big the other kid was....the other kid would not have got off completely free..he would have at least had a black eye or a bloody or broken nose....and it would have been done with my son's bare hands. I was tough...and my son's were also...but we were not bullies.

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TB Player

1:06 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013

I am 50. When I was in Grade School, every boy carried a pocket knife, and no one was stabbed. We all had BB guns, and no one lost an eye. The problem is the whiny, Liberal, No Discipline Parents and Teachers are now reaping what they have sown. An over-active, zero tolerance, policy of fear of a toy.

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john spino

11:45 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013

So true, I had a bb gun, drank out of a hose, had a 22 rifle at 12/ You ae 100% correct. Thet are so worried that they wii offend anyone blacks whites gays etc. How bout just doing what is right just and just fucking just the way it should be. You all should be in that 6 year olds shoes and see what its like to be bullied.

Ray Lengvarsky

1:12 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013

Expell the kid, and let him be home schooled. This would be the biggest favor society could do for this boy. Get him out of these politically correct, mind numbing, dumbed down, so called institutes of learning.

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Todd

6:52 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013

Please open a seperate thread for CJ and Janie, Geez!

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CJ

8:01 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

Ever hear of a thing called ''TV'', Todd? maybe ''you'' should go...and go watch it if you don't like it here. Or...you could just go jump in a lake.

James Brooks

9:00 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013

something important here no one is talking about is what did the school do to the boy that threatened this kid? probably nothing. This other kid is a bullie and nothing ever happens to these kids. This kid felt so scared of this bullie he brought this toy gun to school. It is time the ass hole schools start doing some thing to these bullies. Start expelling them, not the kids they threaten

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RAJ (Bo) McMerritt

9:37 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013

easy way for a day off school ...its bullying or more apt BS

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hp

10:12 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013

Tv programs, news, video games, etc. Just need to be more careful about what these kids see, watch etc. Little ones want to play video games with the older ones and some of those video games that are out there should not even be in the household. Those shows on t.v should not be on, and your t.v should be on parental blocks so they can not get to those channels. Just don't expose them, everyone talks about bully problems but that's what adults are doning on this site to each other. Maybe if we could stop pointing fingers and instead work together on fixing the problems it would do our world some good.

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john spino

11:38 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013

Schools dont do anything about bullys, And thats a fact, Pointing fingers? I dont think so. Bullies will allways be there cause the schools wont do shit. The so called parents of the bully will come to school with a laywer and say not my billy he never dose anything wrong, get a life stat living in the real world.

john spino

11:32 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013

now lets look at the reason, can you say bully? What happened to the bully? Nothing? How far was this 6 yea old pushed that he had to bring a AIR SOFT FAkE GUN to school? Get a grip people, Want gun crime to go down ? Stat with getting rid if all the drugs ruinning us from within. What do you think fuels all the crime in is country< ITS DRUGS<

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11:59 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013

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brittany phillips

12:23 pm on Thursday, February 28, 2013

Why does the headline on AOL's main page say "Accidential Shooting at GA School"...when the AIRSOFT gun was never fired! Shame on you AOL...

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Cheech Azteca

12:59 pm on Thursday, February 28, 2013

The boy was obviously feeling scared so he took matters into his own hands and used an object that symbolizes power and death to threaten a bully. This is nothing to get alarmed about...we all learn this same kind of behavior just from watching television.

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Janie

6:39 pm on Thursday, February 28, 2013

I agree. If this airsoft gun IS dangerous it never should have been left out where the six year old could get it. Further, even though six year old minds cannot comprehend "gone forever" (they get blown up and are back the next day in video games) this little boy must have been scared and frustrated to the point that he felt he had to do something do get the bully to leave him alone. If he actually threatened the bully (sorry, but good for him if he did) with the airsoft gun, had he been able to get hold of a real gun, he probably would have done the same, and had he killed the bully, his parents would have been charged, not the six year old. If the child had fired the gun, it's because he's learned that it's good & fun to "blow away" the bad guys, not understanding what death REALLY means. The schools need to step up and protect the children being bullied, not heap further punishment and trouble on them when they feel forced to take matters into their own hands.

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CJ

8:05 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

Janie...and now you team up with somebody named ''Cheech''...lol...is that poetic justice or what?

Maybe ''Chong'' will show up next, Janie...and you won't have to bogart no more...lol.

You guys are two peas in a pod.

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