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Scouting Becomes a Family Tradition in Avon Lake

Many of us were Girl Scouts and Boy Scouts and are now passing on the tradition.

I was a Girl Scout for several years and I remember some of those field trips and camping trips as some of the most fun I had with my friends. Now it’s my turn to watch my kids go through scouting. 

Our two boys are both in scouts, one is a Boy Scout and one is a Cub Scout. Our oldest intends to go all the way to Eagle Scout. As a mother, I’m curious about the Boy Scouts since I have no experience with the organization. I was hoping for lots of secret stuff and rituals but no luck so far. They boys do have fun building their Derby cars each year and I admit to grabbing the edge of my seat during the annual Pinewood Derby races. 

When I was in scouts, we had a couple camping trips each year and the occasional field trip and regular meetings. I could not wait to march in the Memorial Day parade in my Brownie uniform!

The Boy Scouts in Avon Lake are extremely active. They have regular den meetings, a pack or troop meeting once or twice a month and some kind of field trip every month. There are a lot of overnights.

My husband was an Eagle Scout and while he’s happy our oldest wants to do the same, he’s not as thrilled about all the camping trips. He said he was “camped out.” I pointed out it was the boys’ turn and he needed to go on some of these trips anyway.

So far, he’s been really glad he did go with them. He got to spend a weekend on an actual military ship in Buffalo, several trips to the Science Center downtown and in a couple weeks he’s spending the weekend at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton.

I’m finding myself getting excited about our daughter starting Girl Scouts and hoping we get to do some way cool things like that, too. 

I was wondering how other former scouts are experiencing their children’s scouting experience. Is it different as an adult?  Is it an inconvenience both financially and time-wise?

 My husband works full time and I’m in school full time so our free time is somewhat limited once you factor in the day-to-day stuff on top of that. While the boys sell popcorn to raise money for their trips, times are tight and they don’t sell a great deal of popcorn – usually just enough to get a small prize for their efforts. That means we’re paying for the trips and summer camp.

I don’t know if any of the moms go on the Boy Scout overnights. If they do, I may just volunteer myself. I’ve gone on some of the local field trips and I loved watching my sons experience the French Creek Nature Center and the police station with their friends.

It’s been fun, but it’s also been a very different perspective for me as a parent watching the scouting experience. Are the boys learning anything or are they just stuffing their pockets with pine cones and rocks? Are they absorbing the experience or just hanging out with their friends? I don’t know, but I do know they are having a great time and so are we. 

Curtis March 30, 2011 at 06:27 pm
I'm an Eagle Scout, and was planning on raising my sons in Scouts too until BSA declared to the Supreme Court in 2000 that the Boy Scouts intends to teach that homosexuality is immoral. At that point, I decided to keep my three sons out of Scouts. I hear Girl Scouts is a great program, though.
David Thum March 31, 2011 at 11:36 am
As a Scoutmaster in Avon Lake, Curtis, I have no idea what you're talking about with the comment of "Boy Scout intends to teach that homosexuality is immoral". I've been through all the training required of me to be a Scoutmaster and I've never been told to teach anything even close to that. There are two troops in town and I'd be shocked if any leader in either troop has been told to "teach" that claim. What we DO teach is how to be mature; a leader; provide First Aid; survive in the woods; pitch a tent; cook over an open fire; use rope to construct camping tools; properly handle axes, hatchets and knives; get along with peers; work with peers as a team to solve a challenge; respect our leaders; respect elders; contribute to our community through service; and many, many other skills. I'm sorry that you were under the misconception that we spend time in our meetings talking about your claim - it has never happened and maybe you should have visited a local troop first and inquired about that claim prior to making a blanket decision that kept your sons from learning what you, as a fellow Eagle Scout, obviously learned and benefited from learning when you were a young man. I recall a poster at a camp ground I read that was printed years ago - it read "America is returning to the principals that Boy Scouting never left". We meet every Tuesday at the American Legion - you are welcome to visit and see that misconceptions can be dangerous. What you find will prove familiar.
Doug Miller March 31, 2011 at 01:47 pm
Alicia,
I am the father of 2 boys and 1 girl. One boy is an Eagle Scout, one is a First Class Boy Scout and my daughter stayed with Girls Scouts until her Troop faded from lack of participation. I have spent over 10 years as a Den Leader and Asst Scoutmaster, both in Avon Lake and in the Heights. It is different being an adult with children in Scouting, just as you experience things differently as a parent rather than as a child. And being a retired Marine Reservist, believe me I understand the "camped out" feeling. What everyone parent and leader in Scouts does is only what they can. For the past 2 years I have done very little with the Troop due to the demands of my work. Luckily our Troop (T338) has several Leaders and adults that fill in where others can't. Sometimes just being able to drive to/from an activity can save the outing. With regard to finances, most outings are under $20, but summer camp is around $200. Boy Scouts always let the parents know that should money be a hurdle, there are confidential "camperships" and also the Troop can make allowances, not for everything, but for enough that your boy(s) can partake of enough outings. I would encourage you and your husband to join as leaders. It's $15 a year plus some initial training (most of which can be taken on-line). While signing up doesn't obligate you for anything, it puts you into a ready pool where you are made aware what is going on. Have fun with these years, they go by fast.
Curtis March 31, 2011 at 01:48 pm
Since you ask... The majority opinion in the 2000 Supreme Court case Boy Scouts of America v. Dale was based on the assertion by BSA that BSA "teach[es] that homosexual conduct is not morally straight". Perhaps the BSA's characterization of its teaching was not accurate, and BSA misrepresented the facts the the Supreme Court. In my mind, that puts BSA in a tough place. Either BSA does, indeed, teach that gays are immoral. Or, BSA lied to the Supreme Court to receive the judgment that BSA wanted. Neither position is very flattering, in my opinion. My boys have found plenty of other activities to keep them busy without getting them involved with a group that plays dishonest games with the Supreme Court to advance a particular social agenda that my family doesn't agree with.
David Thum March 31, 2011 at 05:12 pm
Curtis, actually, I didn't ask. But since you offered - I'm speaking of the local level, which is all I'm concerned with unless otherwise directed. My focus is on the 43 young men in our troop how we can best make them not only responsible members of society, but how to flourish as a young man and adult when it comes to what Boy Scouting teaches in skills, etc. I have never been contacted to teach anything even remotely close to what you are concerned about and my guess is you have a more widespread agenda than just with BSA, which is certainly your right.
If you had looked locally instead of reacted nationally you would have found, at least in Avon Lake, that Boy Scouting is a very positive and responsible organization in which to not only enroll your sons, but get involved yourself. With your skills I assume you remember as an Eagle Scout, one of Avon Lake's local troops, your sons and you have missed out on what proves every Scout activity to be a very positive experience for all participants.
David Thum March 31, 2011 at 05:28 pm
Curtis - why don't you come visit us some time and see for yourself - and, should you like what you see, we would welcome your involvement. Its an open invitiation to see for yourself locally what scouting accomplishes in Avon Lake. We meet every Tuesday at the American Legion Post at 7:15. Our door is open.
Tim March 31, 2011 at 06:58 pm
Tim Houk
Taken From the Library of Congress-Boyscouts of America v Dale The Boy Scouts asserts that homosexual conduct is inconsistent with the values embodied in the Scout Oath and Law, particularly those represented by the terms "morally straight" and "clean," and that the organization does not want to promote homosexual conduct as a legitimate form of behavior. The term( immoral) is your word and is not listed in the case file anywhere with regards to the BSA. As a ScoutMaster, I challenge you as an EAGLESCOUT! To find in your personal Boyscout handbook, Scoutmaster's guide or in the guide to safe scouting any mention of or teaching to anyones sexual orientation.
Jim Harley March 31, 2011 at 09:39 pm
The Boy Scouts are a top notch organization and Dave Thum and his scout group are a great addition to Avon Lake! These individuals work hard and put in countless hours to help shape our kids in a society that is becoming less moral by the day. Instead of criticizing this group, I suggest that people who have issues with them-go to the meeting.
Curtis April 1, 2011 at 04:21 pm
In testimony in the Supreme Court case, the Boy Scouts asserts that it "teach[es] that homosexual conduct is not morally straight". That is an exact quote, you can look it up http://laws.findlaw.com/us/000/99-699.html I was as surprised as anyone else when they said that, because I didn't think the BSA taught that. The dilemma for me is why they would lie to the Supreme Court like that.

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