Avon Lake Hikes Pay-to-Participate 50%, Implements Music Fees

District mulled doubling fees, opts for 50% increase

The Avon Lake Board of Education, looking to improve its revenue stream, will be increasing pay to participate for the 2014 fiscal year by 50 percent. The board also approved a measure to initiate vocal and instrumental co-curricular fees.

The new rates for pay-to-participate extracurricular activities, including sports, are $300 for the first student at the high school with a $400 family cap and $150 at the middle school, with a $200 family cap. The board had considered, and rejected, a 100 percent increase.

Currently, the fees are $200 at the high school ($350 cap) and $100 at the middle school ($150 cap). It will generate $59,000 in additional revenue the first year.

Fees have been charged in Avon Lake since back-to-back levy failures in 2005.

New: Fees for vocal and instrumental programs

The district is also implementing vocal and instrumental program “co-curricular” fees. Currently there is no charge. Co-curricular activities are those taught during the day but have performance requirements outside the school day, such as choir, band and marching band.

Students participating in those music programs will be assessed a $40 fee per high school student and $20 per middle school student. There will be no family cap for co-curricular programs.

Superintendent of Schools Bob Scott said they will revisit the policy in the spring of 2015. He reiterated comments made at last week’s board meeting that he felt extra and co-curricular activities were integral to students’ learning experiences.

“We should not have kids who don’t participate because they can’t afford it,” he said.

The district will work with parents on the reduced cost lunch program.

Scholarship money is also available. An individual recently donated $2,500 for a scholarship fund.

One parent in attendance questioned sports financing.

“Does the community really need two trainers? Things like that?” one person asked.

Scott said the second trainer is not costing the district any more. Not having any trainer on staff could cost the district in liability and lawsuits, he added.

Questions were also raised if all sport would be treated equally, since some sports cost more than others.

Scott noted that while football is the most expensive to maintain, it also generates enough revenue to fund the district’s sports programs.

Tin Idol January 18, 2013 at 09:30 PM
Carol.... they ought to give a %100 discount to any parent these days who decides to raise 3 kids in the first place... plus a trip to some day spa where they put slices of cucumbers over your eyes in order for moms to recharge their batteries. Carol... Avon Lake, OH is going to do what the people of McCalla, Alabama and McAdory Elementary School did... McAdory got $175,000 in actual donations and pledges AND THEY WOULD HAVE GOTTEN a whole bunch more if it were not for the conduct of some blabbermouth from Northern Ohio saying that the school systems UP HERE north of "the land of cotton" would like the SAME GOOD DEAL. So, Carol.... have your kids practice their clarinet lessons while you read my postings below AND YOU TOO can "bellyache...complain ... and whine your way to riches" JUST LIKE the people of McCalla, Alabama and McAdory Elementary School!!!! Believe me, Carol... the LOUDER that you start WHINING& COMPLAINING then the quicker that that these sociopaths will be deciding that you & the other affected parents need to be shut up and shut up for good. They'd threaten you & the other affected parents if they thought they could get away with it. They'd INJURE YOU PHYSICALLY & the other affected parents if they thought they could get away with it. Those options don't exist for them.
Tin Idol January 18, 2013 at 09:43 PM
Kathleen O'Brien Wilhelm wrote in part: "1)Outsourcing, 2) proper budgeting of funds-- 3) lowering the heat, (something right out of "Oliver Twist" here on the Avon Lake Patch.... not that I'm accusing Kathleen of stealing the Charles Dickens' character "Fagin"s idea)) 4) getting busing cut, 5) finding means to bring money in to the schools; 6) renting to churches on the weekends, 7) daycare within the schools, 8) renting the high school auditorium, 9) cutting administrators and... 10) learning to budget not spend. You REALLY gotta' go back and read Kathleen's #3 idea... that and "porridge for breakfast" should save a bundle. Here try my ideas: 1) Complaining 2) Bellyaching 3) Whining ...just like the people of McCalla, Alabama and McAdory Elementary School did McAdory was going to CASH IN for a whole lot more than a measly $175,000... they were going to get a BRAND NEW SCHOOL until some undignified Yankee Northerner from Lorain County started talking about how the North Ridgeville Schools needed 3 new roofs (presumably for 3 different schools) So the McAdory School got a RELATIVE $175,000 "stiffing" with 26 acres of land, 7.1 acres of land, $250,000 & $450,000 being distributed throughout the balance of the community of McCalla, Alabama Napolean Hill had a "Think and Grow Rich" system McCalla, Alabama had a "B*tch and Grow Rich" system and boy did it sure pay off
ALsupporter January 18, 2013 at 10:07 PM
The teachers of which you speak did start teaching at half that salary. The reason they are so highly paid is because of their advanced degrees and experience. What you would have to find would be someone who would take the job for "half that" and then remain at that salary regardless of the number of years they teach and/or their continued education. Good luck.
avnlker January 18, 2013 at 10:38 PM
ALsupporter: Understood, but don't you think $75k is a bit much to pay someone to teach kids paint inside the lines or dribble a basketball? How much experience do you need to do that? I've never heard of a Masters Degree in Watercolors or a Doctorate in Dodgeball. From reading your posts, I take it your are employed by the school district. That would explain the staunch defense of it.
ALsupporter January 18, 2013 at 11:05 PM
My grandmother was a teacher, my mother was a teacher and on the school board for several years and highly regarded during her tenure. I wanted to be a teacher but my mother discouraged it because she was afraid of the criticism I would face, like our teachers are facing now. I defend our public schools because I was educated in the public schools and that's how I was raised. I have ALWAYS voted for school levies, and I am single and childless. If you don't understand the skill and knowledge required to teach the above-mentioned subjects, maybe you are the one in need of an education
Tin Idol January 19, 2013 at 02:55 AM
@avniker -- REPLY #A My sentiments EXACTLY, avniker. The "tax and spend" liberals in the NEA-loving teachers' unions "just don't get it" like Glen Beck would say and "need to pick themselves up by their bootstraps" as Rush Limbaugh would say..... ...and the reason that Rush would give for people supporting "the educators" and "independent thinkers" as opposed to the tasty pablum that I myself unthinkingly and unquestioningly absorb from our 4+ hours of FOX NEWS each-and-every day.... well, it is because they have been listening to the "mainshhtream liberal newzhh media"
Tin Idol January 19, 2013 at 02:58 AM
@avniker -- REPLY #B I don't know about you but I'm totally lost when one of these tax & spend liberals ventures outside of one of Bill O'Reilly's Talking Points. I get this blank look on my face just like the robots from the "I, Mudd" episode of Star Trek when they ask the #1 robot, "Norman, please explain" I just hate it when I don't have a "FOX NEWS"-supplied reply to unthinkingly regurgitate. One thing that I have learned ON MY OWN, avniker is contained in my ONLINE TUTORIAL titled ... "The Problem With Pronouns" ...and it was a VERY EXPENSIVE PROCESS (black eye, broken arm, a couple of missing teeth) that I went through to obtain the content of this TUTORIAL for the benefit of my fellow FOX NEWS JUNKIES. What I learned, avniker is that Rush Limbaugh and Glen Beck use the pronoun "they" instead of what I myself actually did when I foolishly used the pronoun, "you". You see, Rush and Glen spout the stuff we FOX NEWS JUNKIES unthinkingly regurgitate from behind the safety of a radio/tv studio control board. So, instead of me IMITATING THIS SUCCESS by sticking to regurgitate this in the presence of my fellow FOX NEWS JUNKIES and using the PRONOUN, "they" as in "they just don't get it"... I actually went to the "tax and spend" NEA-loving liberals and told them straigh to their faces. "YOU just don't get it!" That was the worst mistake since someone stood in front of a banner on an aircraft carrier that said, Mission Accomplished"
Tin Idol January 19, 2013 at 02:59 AM
@avniker -- REPLY #C ...and a "broken nose, black eye, broken arm and some missing teeth" later, I was looking for someone to blame BECAUSE us FOX NEWS JUNKIES never place the blame on ourselves... ...so who did I blame for my injuries which resulted in the aforementioned "Problem with Pronouns" tutorial as well as more than a few contusions and lacerations. I couldn't accept blame for my own actions so I blamed... The Coca Cola Bottling Company... Yup... I blamed Coca Cola. You see, avniker... in the 1970s Coca Cola had this 30 second TV advertising spot where a bunch of NEA-loving hippie future educators and newscasters all stood on a hill and spoke of how they wanted to teach the rest of us in the world how to sing in peace and harmony and upon successful completion of that lesson they were going to celebrate by buying us a Coke (which at that time was called, "the REAL thing").
Tin Idol January 19, 2013 at 03:00 AM
@avniker -- REPLY #D So here, I'm getting the stuffings beat out of me by these educators and while I'm laying supine on the pavement unsuccessfully shielding myself from the kicks, punches and hair grabbing.... ...and asking plaintively where is the subset of them all who want to teach me how to "harmoniously" and "peacefully" sing and then sit down and buy me a Coke and it suddenly dawns on me that there was no FOX NEWS-supplied "contingency plan" to deal with this beat down... ....so I blamed the Coca Cola Bottling Company and came up with my "Problem with Pronouns" tutorial for FOX NEWS JUNKIES.
Tin Idol January 19, 2013 at 03:19 AM
@avniker -- REPLY #E So...what has occurred, avniker is that you & I have both fallen into the trap of buying into the propaganda that has been fed to us by the influences within Government that Republican Eisenhower himself 3 times warned us about and that JFK & Woodrow Wilson also warned us about. We're both blaming the teachers and the firefighters and the police and that is because there has NOT BEEN ONE WORD ON FOX NEWS that I've seen that puts the argument in any kind of "meaningful context" or EVEN REMOTELY resembles what we are teaching our kids in their classes. The teachers, firefighters and police unions are the LAST REMAINING REMNANTS of a "standard of living" that existed for most all of us in the 1940s, 1950s, 1960s & 1970s. A one-working parent family where the kids had a stay-at-home parent to sit on top of their behavior and raise them the way that the Judeo-Christian's "Book of Proverbs" says a child should be raised.
ALsupporter January 19, 2013 at 03:34 AM
Does anyone understand Tin Idol's ramblings?
Tin Idol January 19, 2013 at 03:42 AM
@aniker -- REPLY #F One had government, labor & business negotiating how much of the productivity surpluses would go to "unskilled" and "semi-skilled" labor. Sociopaths.. people with no conscience.. that Eisenhower, Woodrow Wilson, JFK and as late as 1997, Jack Straw who has held 3 of the highest positions in the British government (one of the world's more important democracies)... Jack Straw has served as Home Secretary (Attorney General), Foreign Secretary (Secretary of State) and Speaker of the House of Commons (Speaker of the House of Representatives). They all spoke of a sociopathy designed to ensure that easily-manipulated masses would "turn on each other" AS OPPOSED TO expressing a laser-like distrust of the news media with a corporate-provided blood supply turning into a propaganda ministry. avniker... have you ever heard any MEANINGFUL EXPLANATION of why there was an almost-instataneous transition from the one-working parent family of the 1970s to a 1980s version of where both parents now had to work to make ends meet and grandma (or the TV set) was now raising the latch-key kids?
Tin Idol January 19, 2013 at 03:54 AM
ALsupporter wrote: Does anyone understand Tin Idol's ramblings? Seeing as how you & I are probably the only two people left on this thread at this hour, my answer would be... "Just TinIdol and no one else" Stay tuned. ALSupporter. Like Pope John Paul the 1st told Al Pacino in The Godfather Part III "You're a practical man; what have you got to lose?" I've made a bold statement about NO PARENT in ANY SCHOOL DISTRICT ever having to pay a supplemental fee... ...and by imitating what was done in McCalla, Alabama... that will be accomplished. I'll continue posting tomorrow... If I do produce a WINNER then something quite extraordinary has been accomplished within the "arena of public policy formation" If not, then I'm just the Village Idiot, correct? You have nothing to lose other than a few moments of your life. At this point in time... we have a propagandized electorate/citizenry blaming the firefighters', police and teachers' unions for being greedy. The problem with all these Unions is they labored under the impression that they were inoculated from a successful attack and did not provide NEARLY ENOUGH SUPPORT to the larger mainstream labor movement. The UAW and USW too labored under the same impression and have been reduced to what we see today; an emaciated phantom of their former selves. More tomorrow around 10AM
bob January 19, 2013 at 03:11 PM
the lessons of hard work and sacrifice aren't lost on the students participating in band or sports. to achieve a goal requires both. perhaps fund raising activities year round like bake sales, car washes, spaghetti dinners etc might raise funds to offset costs. time to work on solution, if the fund raisers aren't enough than i welcome other ideas from anyone reading this. the kids are worth it, the lessons learned on the field go beyond any amount of playing your sons or daughters get. signed a parent of former al students
opinionsarelikenoses January 19, 2013 at 03:18 PM
Tin Idol is a f^$#@*& moron. If the Patch people want to have a respectable site and forum they would block idiots like this... So much for a respectable conversation about a topic that is detrimental to all our children here when this jack wagon is spewing garbage. I'm done here. Thanks for nothing Patch.
bob January 19, 2013 at 03:37 PM
tim, i used to think my son should have gotten more time too. looking back it was selfish thinking on my part and a bit of living my life through him. turns out that some kids have more athletic ability and that's all there is to it. coaches coach and players play. the job of a football player is to do what the coach instructs. 100 kids and 22 positions as starters. do the math. in the end your child will find what he does best and pursue that dream. good luck
Tin Idol January 19, 2013 at 04:09 PM
opinionsarelikenoses wrote in part: "Tin Idol is a f^$#@*& moron. If the Patch people want to have a respectable site and forum they would block idiots like this..." MY REPLY: ...and people (particularly "government officials") didn't like the humorous ridicule of "political comedians" like Mort Sahl, Lenny Bruce, Jon Stewart, George Carlin or Janeane Garofalo. Gun rights are a big issue these days with NRA advocates CORRECTLY saying that despots/dictators like Nazi Germany & Josef Stalin first took away the guns. You know who the despots "attacked" & "jailed" IMMEDIATELY AFTER they took away the guns. They jailed the "intelligentsia" (poets, novelists, comedians & op-ed journalists) PRECISELY BECAUSE they themselves knew that "the pen is mightier than the sword" and that LEGITIMATE HUMOR would cause the people to give a CLOSER LOOK to dissect the specious rationale provided by the political establishment. No profanity (except from you with the "f^$#@*& moron" appellation, opinionsarelikenoses) No vulgarity Challenging cherished icons which I maintain are corrupt and which I maintain can be overcome by lawful, constitutionally-compliant means.
Tin Idol January 19, 2013 at 04:20 PM
@ opinionsarelikenoses -- REPLY #B You know, when journalist Eric Sevareid began suffixing the CBS Eveneing News with Walter Cronkite with a 2-minute opinion piece a SUBSET OF THE PEOPLE started SCREAMING IN ANGER... ...this isn't how journalism should behave... just report the facts ...well, it was JOURNALISTS venturing into the world of op-ed that brought down Joseph McCarthy and the "witch hunt" known as the House Un-American Activities Committee. They were criticizing Sevareid under a JOURNALISTIC RUSE of "journalistic principles" BUT THE REAL RATIONALE was they didn't like what Eric Sevareid was saying... "particularly the Nixon White House"
Tin Idol January 19, 2013 at 04:32 PM
@opinionsarelikenoses -- REPLY #C "So much for a respectable conversation about a topic that is detrimental to all our children here when this jack wagon is spewing garbage. I'm done here. Thanks for nothing Patch." I appreciate the sentiment BUT AT THE SAME TIME I wouldn't want the readership to fall victim to someone PERHAPS using the aforementioned school kids as "human shields" to protect the corrupt businesses and politicians. I've STATED that Denver Broncos Quarterback, Peyton Manning has UNWITTINGLY BEEN DUPED into a PURCHASE of a FRANCHISE which cannot survive without breaking the law. The CEO of that corporation who DUPED a real nice guy like Peyton Manning (who leaves waiters, waitresses and bartenders with $600 tips/gratuities) has stores here in Westlake, Lakewood, North Olmsted & Berea. But that CEO's competitors ALL HAVE STORES in Avon & Avon Lake.. Perhaps opinosarelikenoses KNOWS what Peyton Manning purchased and he is attempting to protect those store owners. I'm also TOUCHING UPON a divisive issue which Mitt Romney put the numbers at 53% to the 47%.... I'm talking about how the TEACHERS are getting blamed for "high salaries" just because they will go only SO FAR in concessions...concessions which OTHER UNIONS gave only to lose their jobs anyway while the corporate elite GAVE THEMSELVES bonuses "cynicism" is part of the Socratic dialectic, opinionsarelikenoses.
Tin Idol January 19, 2013 at 04:45 PM
@opinionsarelikenoses -- REPLY #D Just like we had people SCREAMING ABOUT CBS Newsman, Eric Sevareid offering a 2-minute commentary at the end of the CBS Eveneing News and offering a "journalistic rationale"... ...when IN FACT what Sevareid himself was pointing out was that these businessmen and government officials were basically "sociopaths" weaving a "sweet sounding" fabric of lies. These sociopaths didn't give ONE HOOT about "ethics" of any kind (much less, Sevareid pushing the envelope of "journalistic ethics" in order to expose these crooks... which HE CERTAINLY DID accomplish) They wanted to shut Eric Sevareid up and get him off the air PRECISELY BECAUSE of the message he was delivering... ...same with Political Comedian, Mort Sahl when he began criticizing The Warren Commission Report and got people laughing at their leaders. Like the journalists and entertainers who were blacklisted in the House UnAmerican Activites Committee "witch hunt", it was weak-kneed editors, tv producers & entertainers who brought down Mort Sahl for exercising his free speech rights WHICH HAD a huge audience and was garnering an EVEN LARGER audience. Those weak-kneed editors PROBABLY save Mort Sahl's life. That's neither here-nor-there...since it was again DIFFERENT EDITORS and DIFFERENT JOURNALIST who watched what happened to Mort Sahl and when they got into being the decision-makers THEY THEMSELVES resurrected th career of Mort Sahl
opinionsarelikenoses January 19, 2013 at 04:53 PM
Tin Idol....you are a brilliant man in your own mind...all the best to you.
Tin Idol January 19, 2013 at 04:59 PM
I myself do love "bake sales" since it is an excuse for me to go off of a pretty strict diet. A MODEL FOR SUCCESS HAS ALREADY BEEN PROVIDED... This model only needs to be "replicated" or "imitated" for the duration necessary to achieve success. The people of McCalla, Alabama and McAdory Elementary school already showed that a steady diet of "whining" and "complaining" about a LEGITIMATE ISSUE which falls squarely within the arena of "public policy formation" produced $75,000 (checks for $25,000 & $50,000 with another $100,000 pledged down the road as long as they kept their mouths shut). They got 26 acres of land for a new school. The Youth Athletic Association in McCalla got $250,000 (which should have gone to the schools if SOMEONE in Lorain County didn't start griping about the North Ridgeville Schools being ENTITLED to the same deal) The McCalla Fire Department got $450,000 and 7 acres of land
Tin Idol January 19, 2013 at 05:12 PM
1) The "squeaky wheel gets the oil"... people COMPLAINED and WHINED to their political leaders... not COMPLAINING to the corporation with sociopaths in charge. 2) The "political leaders" attempted to provide "de facto" support by protecting the flank of the corporation... "there's ONLY SO MUCH that we can do as local community leaders" 3) The people of McCalla KEPT ON "whining" and "complaining" to the political leaders and brought in the local TV Stations to see their children wearing "surgical masks" at school board meetings. Game.. set... match Both the "political establishment" and the "corporate criminals" both caved faster than a cheap piece of lawn furniture The $$$ started flowing in. This COMES DOWN to demanding that your "political leaders" ACT on YOUR BEHALF instead of protecting the flank of the corporate criminals with businesses in their communities which pay taxes and which occupy "commercial real estate" which again pays taxes. The parents ABOVE also pay taxes and have to obey the laws of the State of Ohio. History condemns the town councils of pre-WWII Germany for failing to act against the Nazis higher up the food chain and for caving in with the phrase, "At least Herr Hitler keeps the trains running on time" A "petition" never brought about ANY MEANINGFUL CHANGE that I'm aware of... "Squeaky wheels" on the other hand need to be silenced
Dave January 19, 2013 at 05:24 PM
I think i would rather have the FLU, than have to read any more of these posts....
Tin Idol January 19, 2013 at 05:59 PM
@Yes on #32 They DO INDEED deserve every penny they make... notice how every time a levy or fee is mentioned there is almost an instant attack on the teachers' pay. The pay level of others in the American work force needs to be elevated... don't reduce the pay of police, fire fighters and educators
Buck98 January 19, 2013 at 10:18 PM
Yep... four months vacation.... tough gig
Jen G January 20, 2013 at 09:06 PM
I think Tim is smoking something!!
Judy January 22, 2013 at 02:24 PM
My son is a senior and spent 4 years in the high school marching band. The band PARTIALLY pays for itself through concessions and fundraising. The band does rely on the school to provide transportation to & from away football games and all contest shows. The band also relies on the school to open up the PAC for concerts during the school year. Avon Lake and Avon are both excellent school systems. Avon Lake needs to "mirror" what Avon does so that the cost per student in Avon Lake equals that of Avon. Once that is done, then I would support a much smaller school levy.
Jim Brady January 22, 2013 at 06:06 PM
That's why it's called pay to participate and not pay to play. Playing time is not guaranteed in any sport at any school. As far as kids being tackling dummies, maybe you should go watch a practice before you write those kinds of things.
Jim Brady January 22, 2013 at 06:09 PM
Come on man....relax a little.


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