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Snapshot Avon Lake: Supporting the Schools

Issue 32, a 9.04 levy will be decided on at the Nov. 6 General Election

Teachers at Eastview Elementary School placed placards on their windshields, showing support for the school district and asking voters to do the same.

The photo was posted on the Avon Lake School Levy Facebook si, which contains "talking points" and dissemination of information such as:

"Today's Talking Point: There has been a lot of discussion about the cost of our athletic program while we are facing financial difficulties. Our athletic program makes up less than one percent of our total operating budget. Here are some facts on those costs."

For information on this and other Avon and Avon Lake races, visit Patch's Election Guide.

rgnocp38 November 03, 2012 at 02:08 PM
After speaking with Avon Lake schools superintendent, Bob Scott, I must say that I am amazed at the deception anti-levy people have put forth. Cherry-picking of numbers without explanation or even trying to understand what is behind the numbers truly shows an anti-schools, anti- community attitude with no interest in actually justifying these expenditures. Not very intellectual! I believe these people would be against education even if expenditures were lower. I am tired of being talked at by these anti-everything people who distort the conservative cause at the expense of education and safety. Such a shame!!!
Dan LaVigne November 03, 2012 at 04:44 PM
Avon Lake school board did not do enough to reduce cost before putting this large of levy on the ballot. Example no where do they reduce sports programs. Since when is sports more important than Education. Example Northridgeville school board announced that if the levy fails all sports will be eliminated. Education first, sports second Avon Lake reduce the following salaries: 1)Superintendent-$117,500 2) Treasure-$87,000 3) HS Principal-$116,125 4)HS Asst.Principal $83,635 5) HS 2nd Asst. Principal-$76,792 6) Learwood Principal $111,374 7 7) Learwood Asst. Principal $88,196 8)Athletic Director $102,169 9)Troy Principal $99,650 10) Eastview Principal $93,851 11) Erieview Principal $85,103 12) Redwood Principal $89,875 13) Westview Principal $93,851 14) Transportation Supervisor $60,526. For all of the above and that we are retired and on a limited income there is no way to support a levy of this high amount. Will do everything we can to contact other seniors and show them the above figures and show them its in there best to turn down this levy Dan Avon Lake
Victor Mooney November 03, 2012 at 08:07 PM
UNSUSTAINABLE SPENDING DRIVES LOCAL SCHOOL LEVIES Next Tuesday, there will be 194 schools with levies of varying sizes on the ballot, Many supporters of increasing education taxes, such as the Ohio Education Association (OEA), are arguing that the reason that so many school districts introduced levies is due primarily to funding cuts from the state level. This is a disingenuous argument. Rather than too little revenue forcing districts to go hat-in-hand to voters, by in large, Ohio schools have a spending problem that long pre-dates any revenue reductions forcing them to do so. The newest Policy Brief by the Buckeye Institute shows that state spending on education has far outpaced inflation for years while the total compensation packages of school district employees have been on a glide path to almost uniformly unsustainable levels. In many cases the median salary of teachers within a district far exceeds the median household income in the surrounding area and leads to a situation where the overall compensation consumes the vast majority of districts' revenues. In some cases, over 100 percent of projected revenues over a five-year time period go to nothing but compensation, meaning that there would not be revenue to pay for maintenance, utilities, technology expenses or anything else that facilitates a strong learning environment. Please click here for the full Policy Brief.
AvonLaker1234 November 03, 2012 at 09:09 PM
Please move.
AvonLaker1234 November 03, 2012 at 09:17 PM
You should move too. Your stats are half-baked. Reality is teachers have at least a bachelors degree and most time a masters degree. Using the median household income is silly whereas most at or below the median barely graduated high school. Net - higher education yields higher earnings. Also, the alledged "Institute", the Buckeye Institute, is not unbiased - it is a conservative right wing group.
George Z November 03, 2012 at 10:16 PM
Dear AvonLaker1234 - Your really kind of rude. The fact is, regardless of what you feel is, adequate compensation -- the school revenue (from prop tax) will go down. My income has not gone up nor do I make what any of the brass make, however life "is good". When "times were good" - the admin felt it was best to invest in stadiums, HS reno, bus garages versus saving for vital items (pardon the pun - a rainy day). Now when they want more of my money (15% more to be exact or ~ $800 MORE ANNUALLY -- I get some nimrod like you saying I should move. Whatever happened to fiscal responsibility? The schools need to face the economic reality that less income is going to come in. People like you are ruining this town by turning it into a top heavy Bay Village (un-justifiably high property taxes). Think about that when you want to sell your house and less people want to move to our city because our tax rates are significantly higher than other areas. And let's face it, it's not like the housing market is robust today. I see you on here frequently, are associated with the school system? I am not. I just resent the frequent request for more of my money. It is getting to the point I can't justify staying in this town (ie I can move elsewhere for half of the operating costs). You might get your wish.
AvonLaker1234 November 04, 2012 at 12:13 AM
Old man time for you to move. It was your generation that screwed my and future generation with your lavish pensions, Medicare, Social Security and other entitlements you feel you earned but never truly funded. The issue is the State has, what was deemed long ago, a unconstitutional school funding mechanism. Therefore it comes down to the local tax base. The reality is I moved here, along with a lot of other folks, because of the schools and community support. Truth is yes, Bay, Orange, etc., do have higher taxes - but guess what (?)...they have great schools and their homes do sell. If you can't afford it here - move. Moving, in your words would be "fiscally responsible" for you.
Dan LaVigne November 04, 2012 at 04:28 AM
Why should I or anyone else who oppose the school levy move. Did you see the salaries of the Supt. and he staff. Do not see where they will eliminate some sports if levy does not pass. In this town its more important to keep sports and eiminate certain educations programs. Paid for levys in the past and either one of my children were educated in Avon Lake. Both of us had to work full time to give them an excellent private education which at the time they could not get from the Avon lake School system
AvonLaker1234 November 04, 2012 at 12:21 PM
The salaries are in-line or actually below comparable districts. As you stated - you made the choice to send your kids to private schools and therefore both you and Mrs "had to work". Reality is you did not have to send them to private schools - you made that choice. To keep good public education in place it takes: good leadership, good teachers, good facilities and YES good community support. Obviously you don't want to be part of the community or crow about the "ggod old days" in Avon Lake before growth. Another reality is Avon Lske has had slow consistent growth; I could only imagine if you lived in Avon how much you and the older generation here would be complaining about their levy. Again, please move - we need to be part of the community. I'll help you pack too!
Dan LaVigne November 04, 2012 at 05:10 PM
Sorry us old generation folks are staying and will continue to fight whe we see levys like this one. We are emtitled to our opinion and to our views. By your tone of voice you have to be one of those good christians who hate everyone and everything that does not accept your view. Common sense is you reduce the salaries of the Administrative staff, cut sports progams and cut some form of busing. Then and only then put the levy on the ballot. In this case what would your Jesus do. Now quoting from your Jesus: Jesus never said, "Take from the poor and give to the rich." However, he did say, "Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasures in heaven." Avon Lake 1234 why don't you give your name the rest of us do. Avon Lake was a great place to live and raise a family until people like you an yours moved in.
AvonLaker1234 November 05, 2012 at 12:35 PM
My God bless you... ;-)
rgnocp38 November 05, 2012 at 02:31 PM
Sports programs are in large part, supported by boosters and other earned income which does not come out of the budget. Reducing salaries of these people who work hard is a ridiculous thought. All you have ever done is be negative and incendiary in your comments. These salaries are what we SHOULD be paying administrators in a district which has proven excellence in education. You would be saying the same thing regardless of what these amazing school officials earned. You pay no more in property taxes relative to your property value than others did to support your children decades ago. You are just looking for a reason to skirt your civic responsibility - be honest about that!!
rgnocp38 November 05, 2012 at 02:33 PM
Judge the Avon Lake District individually for their situation which is excellent in what that have done to cut spending. Blame our governor for requiring taxes to be reallocated to property owners where, even when out-of-work, they are still must be paid, as opposed to income taxes. This is not increasing taxes, just replacing what was taken from each district - be honest!!!
rgnocp38 November 05, 2012 at 02:37 PM
George Z. - you pay no more in property taxes than those decades ago relative to your property value. If you work in the private sector as I do, our salaries might remain flat or go down due to a loss of or reduction in business activity. The business activity of schools never decreases and must always be supported and sustained. All of us who sent children to school will never come close to making that cost up in tax dollars. It is our responsibility to do what my parents and children are now doing by supporting the children of others after others supported ours.
rgnocp38 November 05, 2012 at 02:39 PM
This is the misinformation so many have put out there - not understanding the flow of revenue, whether it be city or schools. I would be that most of these people have never asked to sit down with the Superintendent to honestly ask questions but instead throw out numbers which mean nothing out of context.
rgnocp38 November 05, 2012 at 02:41 PM
Salaries should be higher for those who have created and maintained a district of excellence. How would you like it if the younger generation said we need to cut your social security, disability, or other social programs by 25% because they were tired of paying into the program and would get there own insurance, 401K, etc. Stop whining about salaries. That is just an excuse!!
rgnocp38 November 05, 2012 at 02:44 PM
I'm an older generation folk and believe we need to do our job to support the students and if that means paying our school officials commensurate to excellent job they have done, so be it. ADVICE TO MR. LEVIGNE: people would be more wililng to listen to you if you had something positive to say at times or stated in a more constructive, objective manner. No business would ever cut 25% across the board without evaluating every business unit first and remaining invested in what works. Get real!!!
rgnocp38 November 05, 2012 at 02:45 PM
His rudeness shouldn't surprise you!
Dan LaVigne November 05, 2012 at 05:07 PM
I am not being rude just telling it like it is. You people cannot handle the truth. Sorry but was taught bring out all the facts and who does not like well they will have to live with all the crap that this school board has handed out for years. Being a senior citizen I do not give a S
rgnocp38 November 05, 2012 at 05:44 PM
There is no context to your facts. People doing excellent work deserve excellent salaries. An objective person never is pompous enough to act as God with facts. Your societal responsibilities do not end when you become a senior. Being a senior citizen, I do care!!
Kimber Malloy November 05, 2012 at 07:22 PM
I agree with Avonlake1234, i have been here since the 70's, anyone who complains should MOVE!! and all the old people yea thanks for nothing, use the schools when your kids needed them, now o well cut out sports and salaries and vote no to everything? why don;t we just fire all of them and let kids teach each other. Yea before i hear your fixed income crap one more time how bout fact that your little house you paid 8k for is now worth 125k or more. Its a 2 way street, vote no on fire levy and when your on floor with chest pains or broken hip count the extra 3 or 5 or 15 minutes (if you make it) and remember that extra 1$ a month you HAD to have.
Dan LaVigne November 05, 2012 at 10:02 PM
Lived in Avon Lake for 37 years always support fire and police levies. School levies are another matter. Depends on how much and what they have done in the past. This Levy is way out of bounds and until they show some restrain on spending they get a big NO Vote. And no we will not move
Avon-Laker November 07, 2012 at 12:31 PM
What will be frustrating to the majority of voters who rejected the school levy is that the school board will simply place the levy back on the ballot in the spring, then next fall, then the following spring, until they wear down voters and the levy passes. Something is wrong with a system that allows the constant battering of tax payers with new tax requests every six months.
AvonLaker1234 November 07, 2012 at 12:33 PM
Here's a solution for you - MOVE!

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