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Objects to Scare Tactics To Pass August EMS Levy: Letter

Resident says levy subsidizes budget

The Press article on the referred to () Lt. Jeff Moore saying that the state took away the estate tax. FACT: The State did not eliminate the estate tax. The estate tax was eliminated by an overwhelming vote of Ohio voters in 2010. Message: voters are tired of over taxation!

Elimination of local government subsidies was necessary to balance the state budget and should not have come as a surprise to Council. It's not news that we have been in a tough economic environment for several years now. Like it or not, Gov Kasich's administration warned that these cuts were coming. If the State has to cut them, local governments must act responsibly and make the tough decisions on behalf of taxpayers to reduce spending and cut the size of government. City government has no entitlement to be exempt from the belt tightening that the state and taxpayers must accept.

I also want to strongly object to the use of threats of EMS staff reductions to scare Avon Lake residents, especially the elderly. I recall at a Council meeting, Mr. Meiners' comment that the people of Avon Lake would accept a EMS levy increase if it was presented in the right way. I assume he was referring to these threats of layoffs and scare tactics. The fact is that EMS finances are misrepresented. How many Avon Lake residents know that their health insurance claim payments, almost $400,000, for EMS ambulance service do not pay for EMS expenses but rather are allocated to the General Fund?

I urge you to drop the threats and scare tactics to goad citizens to pay more and more to subsidize budget deficits. It's time to put Avon Lake taxpayers ahead of the wishful aspirations of Avon Lake government. If you are so concerned about sustaining EMS services I believe it is your responsibility start using that almost $400,000 of EMS ambulance revenues to assure the continuance of the fine EMS services. Cancel the August vote and save taxpayers $30,000 for a more reasoned proposal in November.

Michael D. Hellyar
Avon Lake

T.Patterson July 16, 2012 at 01:07 pm
I'm all for belt tightening, but the Safety forces in Avon Lake are top notch and I will continue to support them. So I will be voting yes on the upcoming Paramedic levy.
Stephanie Parnell July 17, 2012 at 02:22 pm
I agree with everything you say Mr. Hellyar, with the exception of canceling the levy. The average home value in Avon lake is $230K Passage of this levy would cost an owner of such a home less than $12 a month. I Happen to be one of those elderly that your well-intentioned letter implies to protect. Honestly, your letter scared me more than the any tactic of city council. I will support this levy and hope everyone else feels the same as I do. However, I do agree that the money coming in from the department should be used for that purpose also. City Council needs to answer for this by showing what that money is used for, and it better be a priority that rivals EMS service in importance.
Zandor Grey July 18, 2012 at 04:42 am
Mr hellyar did you get to vote on the estate tax repeal? I had no idea you were a member of the ohio senate. If my memory serves correct, it was voted on by senate and house members and pased as HB 153 as part of the governers budget proposal for 2012-2013. Here is a link where democratic senator obrien predicts that this will cause layoffs of firemen and police. http://wills.about.com/b/2011/05/07/ohio-estate-tax-update-state-house-oks-budget-that-will-repeal-ohio-estate-tax.htm
So it seems that you must have been mis-informed about how the tax was repealed because no ohio voters sent any message. I did hear that the citizens united group brought 85000 ohioans signatures to the legislators to support repeal of the law, but that equates to 1.35 per cent of ohians. So i think this message is in your head so to speak. I wanted to supply links to support my comments so no one thinks i just make stuff up out of thin air. http://www.nodeathtax.org/ohio-senate-repeals-state-death-tax-
Stacie Stropko July 18, 2012 at 05:04 am
Michael Here are a few videos to help you understand how eliminating the estate tax reduced monies for local communities.
Check out this video on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfmWe_F9zk4&feature=youtube_gdata_player http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NadkNCUwDCI&feature=youtube_gdata_player Its not too hard to understand. The state balanced its budget on the backs of the local communities. Now is the time to decide if we want less service or more taxes. Kasich warned the cuts were coming.......and now they are here. Think of this as a tax shift. You pay less to ohio, and more to avon lake. At least on this tax decision you get a vote.
Noah Webster July 18, 2012 at 04:06 pm
Your comment is respected but sadly does not make any sense. You agree the city needs to "answer for this" but then say you will vote for it. If you vote for it, the city has no reason to change anything. And they will keep on passing on their spending habits to you the taxpayer. They count on well-meaning citizens like you to go along and grin and bear it. AL is running in the red and has been for several years. That $12 a month will be followed by more tax levy increases. We should all keep in mind that not every AL citizen has a $230k home and many that do are on fixed incomes. Your vote should always keep that in mind.
Noah Webster July 18, 2012 at 04:37 pm
I am not misinformed sir. Ohio citizens elect the representatives who vote to express the will of the people. And therefore the act of the legislature in repealing the estate tax expressed the will of the taxpayers in addition to the thousands who also signed the petition for repeal of the estate tax. Perhaps not every Ohioan was in favor of repeal but that's how our system works. The fact is that government at all levels is out of balance with ability of the economy and the taxpayers to support the huge expansion of government services. Cities are even declaring bankruptcy.
We have to scale back and live within our means and it does not mean that we will be less safe as lawmakers will claim. We just have to be smarter in how we allocate resources. And that was the point of my objection to the huge tax levy increase. It is meant to cover up excessive spending by the city.
Noah Webster July 18, 2012 at 04:44 pm
And the city is seeking to spend more on the backs of Avon Lake taxpayers rather than do what most of us have to do, reallocate and prioritize resources to make then go farther. My objection is simply that passing this huge levy increase is a cover up for overspending in the General Fund and the diversion of revenue generated by the EMS services to the General Fund. Are you aware that the levy brings in more than council has budgeted for EMS? Where will the extra cash go ?
Any suggestion that the choice is between less services or more taxes is unfounded. You need to study the city budgets as I have.
Michael Parnell July 21, 2012 at 02:20 pm
Noah - what in the world are you talking about. You sound upset. I don't agree with cancelling the levy because I believe that the money from EMS billing is not enough to support this service. As far as future "tax levy increases" - I'll vote on them one at a time and vote no if I decide something is not a priority.
Michael Parnell July 21, 2012 at 02:31 pm
Noah - again where are you getting your information? You seem blindly misinformed to be sir. You also sound like the author of the letter calling people "sir" when you get upset. Did you notice that when you switched names you answered for Mr. Hellyar in first person. My wife never said "noah webster was misinformed, she said Mr Hellyar was. But anyways, on to my argument in part II
Michael Parnell July 21, 2012 at 02:41 pm
Part II - I guess I am misinformed, partly. My wife did not call you misinformed. Mr Grey did. But I agree. You feel that the legislators in Ohio were elected by the people and therefore their decision to stop the estate tax was therefore expressing the will of the tax payers? But you are upset when the legislators you elected in Avon Lake ask what the will of the people is by vote before expressing it? That makes no sense. If the Council people just passed a new tax without a vote people would be upset. Council is asking you to express your will by vote. That's how our system works. Sounds more like you agree with "cuts" however they are proposed and are opposed to increases regardless of how they are proposed.
Michael Parnell July 21, 2012 at 02:52 pm
Since you have studied the city budgets - will you share the information with us or are you going to make us guess what you found. You claim the levy is a "cover up" for overspending. By passing a levy, a voter is assured money will be allocated for the expense that was voted on. It's the one way voters do have a say in how council spends their money. Again, if you have information that leads you to believe that somehow we are all being cheated - please share.
Amanda Hatfield July 21, 2012 at 04:05 pm
I will support this service 100%
Noah Webster July 22, 2012 at 01:03 pm
Mr Parnell. You confuse my opposition to the tax levy itself with the process of putting it to a vote of the People. Yes I am informed. I do the homework. I have the city budgets. I have met personally with city officials and attended the meeting where Mr Meiners made his comments. And I made a public comment at that meeting. Were you there? I take great pains to have the facts. I live here and I care about the future of my chosen home. You criticize me but you offer no fact based argument. Are you aware that Avon Lake just a few years ago had an accumulated budget reserve of at least $6 million and it is almost gone ? Read my letter. Do you think it makes sense to take almost $400,000 revenue generated by EMS ambulance services but not use it for funding EMS and as a result put EMS finances at risk ? I hear Avon Lake citizens claim how much EMS means to them but they don't make a fuss when revenue that EMS produces is used to mow the grass and prune the tree lawn trees. And then City Council threatens laying off EMS staff to frighten voters into approving a huge 60% levy increase to cover up its' lack of financial management foresight. Yes, I am informed and maybe exposing the truth is scary to some folks in Avon Lake. But I believe honesty is not just the best policy but the only policy that voters deserve of elected government officials.
Noah Webster July 22, 2012 at 01:09 pm
Amanda. I support it too. It's too bad City Council does not support EMS. In fact the city takes almost $400,000 in ambulance fees to pay for general city expenses like mowing lawns and pruning trees in the tree lawns. Does that make sense ? Why doesn't the city have a tax levy for the city general fund ? I think you know why and that's what is wrong about this tax levy !
Jim Bendar August 8, 2012 at 02:10 am
Mr. Hellyar, you claim that you have all the finances figured out yet your not the finance director, you know better how to run the city than council or the mayor but you haven't been elected (and i believe you ran once), you even know how best to run the fire and paramedic services yet your not the fire chief. You think your doing the right thing because the crazy tea party tells you so but your not. Do not ruin our city! You want private ambulance move to Elyria or one of the many places with lesser services. You want lower taxes, build a home in the middle of a corn field somewhere. I want good fire service! and good police, and leaf pickup and all the other things that make this city great and I do want them at a reasonable cost with no waste, but I want them for myself and my family. You just want to destroy this city in the name of the tea party. When it lay in shambles because you would not let our elected officials do there jobs then you can be congratulated.
Bonnie Fraser August 8, 2012 at 02:23 am
Mr. Hellyer, are you the Treasurer of Citizens for Fair Taxes mentioned in the robocalls the night before the election?
Noah Webster August 8, 2012 at 02:11 pm
Sir. Your emotional attacks are unfortunate and have nothing to do with the facts or my qualifications. Nothing I have proposed is a threat to Avon Lake or its citizens including myself. I educate and inform citizens with facts that are validated by city records and documents. And for the record, there are cities across America that are facing bankruptcy because citizens did not pay attention. I care about Avon Lake that is why I an involved and informed. Regards.

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